As a guild/raid leader, nothing frustrates me more than cancelling raids, but the officers and myself are a bit more understanding around the holidays. This weekend we were forced to cancel both of our ICC-25 raids, and where normally I’d flip out, start docking DKP, etc., we sucked it up, told everyone why the raids were being cancelled, asked them to be understanding and as a “thank you” to the players who stuck it out, we gave them full hourly DKP for the entire raid.
It’s winter. People get sick, the weather can be brutal in certain parts of the world and knock out internet connections, there are various religious holidays that can get in the way of gaming and some people still live at home. Those people get drug around to their family outings, missing raids as well. Some people work in retail and we all know this is the busiest season of the year. Those people get temporary schedule changes that force them to work later than normal.
We’re getting hit with all of the above.
I know there are some people that will think “Wow, I joined this guild to raid and the raids are getting cancelled!” and maybe shop around for other guilds, but I’m hoping that a majority of our core raiders understand that winter is a horrible raiding season near the holidays.
On Saturday, our “night 1″ in ICC-25, we had a few people that couldn’t make the raid, 1 or 2 people no-show and 2 people that live together that had internet troubles so bad they would disconnecter after roughly 2 or 3 minutes of gameplay. Rather than cancel the raid right away, we took a raid vote to see if people wanted to (1) call it, (2) farm the trash for rep to upgrade our rings, or (3) PuG the remaining spots and run ToC-25.
We had a few votes to just call it, but enough people wanted to farm rep or do ToC-25 so we decided to just farm trash for Ashen Verdict rep. After 1 clear, I did a raid vote asking who wanted to continue and only 6 or 7 people wanted to keep going. We did another raid vote, asking that anyone wanting to do ToC-25 to stay in the raid group and the ones who aren’t interested are free to leave. There were 6 people left in the raid group afterwards, so we just called it.
Our 2 10-man teams are both 4/4 in ICC-10 and people seem to have a lot of fun in the 10’s, but when it comes to 25’s (even back in the ToC era) it’s a clusterfunk. A majority of our no-shows are on the 25-man nights and the officers and I are pretty fed up with it. We put more time in to the game than our raiders do to make the guild function and don’t want to continue putting the extra work in to it if it goes unappreciated.
We made an announcement over vent before everyone logged out, asking everyone to be patient until the holidays were over and if things didn’t get better at that point, our attendance policy would become a bit more strict, especially for new recruits. Right now we require 3/4 nights raid attendance for “raiders” but when people apply and join, they’re going to be required to make all 4 raid nights for 2 straight weeks.
At that point, they’d become a raider.
If anyone drops below 3/4 nights consistently, they’ll be demoted to “member” which has a lower loot priority, a lower chance to be given a raid spot in our 10’s and no longer has the ability to repair their gear from the guild bank or get free enchants. If a recruit does this, they’ll just be removed from the guild completely and asked to reapply when they can commit to the raid schedule.
We have a lot of people “wanting” to raid and “wanting” to clear content, but we also have people who just want to raid whenever they want and not put in as much work as the rest. Those are not the people I want in my guild and those are the people who are holding us back from progressing in ICC-25. They are the reason we’re making our attendance policy a bit more strict. We’ve got enough dedicated people to make 2 10-man teams but not enough to make a solid 25-man team.
Recruiting has been a bit better so far. We’re definitely getting a higher caliber of player apply because not every guild is 4/4 in ICC, but I fear that we’ll bring those people in to the guild and they’ll see how inconsistent our ICC-25 groups are because of those people mentioned above. I’d like to get rid of those people altogether, but I can’t bring myself to just kick them.
Some of them even have legitimate reasons why they can’t make every raid, but to me it’s like.. you read the application, you said it worked out, but now that you’re in the guild you think your personal life should allow you to make your own schedule? For instance, we have a great Rogue but he’s also a military pilot who is on call all the time. As he puts it “those helicopters aren’t going to fly themselves”, and I totally understand that.
Do you make 24 other people suffer by continuing to allow these people to raid whenever they want because of their personal life or do you take the chance of looking like a prick by recruiting someone else to take their spot that CAN make every raid and definitely help the guild progress faster? It’s the same situation if someone has children and can’t make every raid because of their real-life commitment. As a guild leader and a raid leader, is it okay to hold 24 other people back because you want to be “human” and let these people raid whenever they want? Is the guild environment that YOU want suitable for these people?
I bascially want to run an end-game raiding guild full of raiders who want to be there and I can rely on. I don’t want people who say they can make the times but a few weeks later they admit that their real life is getting in the way and they can only raid once or twice a week. We want people to become part of our “team”, not a substitute teacher, you know?
I’m just trying to figure out where I need to draw the line between being the leader of a successful raiding guild and being an asshole.
Any input here?
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